Episode 37 - Satwick Saxena - Taking the Plunge

Satwick Saxena (00:00):
Take the plunge. It's it's okay. The first year will be, will be chaotic. It, it will seem that nothing is going right and, and everything goes wrong in the beginning. That's that's fine. Don't stress. I underestimated just the sheer amount of joy. You, you get, you know, with, with playing with your kids.

Young Han (00:26):
Hey guys, I'm young, a full-time dad and a full-time professional with the goal to become the best parent possible. The girl dad show is my journey interviewing fellow working parents, aspiring to be both good at work and parenting. I'm gonna do this by gathering, sharing unfiltered perspectives from my guest to join me as I research parenthood one interview at a time

Young Han (00:47):
Satwick, Thank you so much for joining me on my show today.

Satwick Saxena (00:51):
Yes. Thank you for having me. I know it took some time for us to get started on this.

Young Han (00:56):
Yeah. It, it always takes time to schedule for podcasting. It's so hard to take an hour out of your day, the, these days. Right? I feel like everyone's gotten so busy over the course of the last few years with everything happening. But I'm glad that we made it work. We're here.

Satwick Saxena (01:09):
Yes. So awesome.

Young Han (01:11):
And I love the way that we met and the way that we got onto this show together because I'm really, really excited about what you're building. So let's just jump right into it. Why don't you tell all the listeners what you do for a living?

Satwick Saxena (01:21):
Hi, everybody, I'm a software developer, I'm one of the co-founders of Eva Bott, Eva Bott is service that helps companies automate their gifting programs. And it enables them to, you know, send out Facebook tailored gifts to each person's personality and taste without having to like, you know, actually spend and all the time trying to do this manually. So you get the best of automation with, you know, really deep personalization. Imagine that if you had to send out a thousand gifts tomorrow morning, a there's like no practical view of doing that. And if then you had to do that, each person should be getting something different, something which is right for them. That's like practically impossible, like in no way, that's, that's doable. That's what Eva Eva enables for you. And that's what you're building.

Young Han (02:10):
Yeah, it's awesome product. I mean, I, I love that we met because I became a client of yours. I received an Eva bot gift through a, through a, a colleague and a I guess a partner partner business. And the experience was just so good. I loved it. I loved the experience so much that I had to like research you and then I pinged you. And then it was really fun to get to meet you during that process and then connect this way and then finding out that you're also a dad and that you're building this really cool business and you're growing it and stuff. But do you, do you mind sharing what a it is that you do for Eva bot you're a co-founder but you also have a function, right?

Satwick Saxena (02:47):
Sure. Yeah, absolutely. So I look after all of growth marketing growth and marketing. So, you know, essentially anything which is related to revenue, whether it is marketing sales you know, our GT emotions for now even our customer success. So I lead all those three things.

Young Han (03:04):
Yeah. So just some stuff. Yeah, no big deal. Right. I think being a founder and a builder, you end up having to do so much, right. It's like, you can't even like articulate it or explain it fully until people actually start their own business, but it feels like you end up being a Jack of all trades, whether or not you want to, or not. Right.

Satwick Saxena (03:21):
Exactly. Like getting titles is hard.

Young Han (03:24):
It really is. Are there some big projects that you're working on right now at Eva bot?

Satwick Saxena (03:30):
Yes. so each year, you know we take up new priorities on, on what are the things that we want to you know, new stuff you want to add. So for us, like this year right in the beginning, we added a video review feature, so, and we've been dogfooding it aggressively. And so now we always could help you know, customers when they're sending out a gift to also, you know, collect a review, get that posted to, you know, Google, G2, other places. We've added a interesting angle to collect video reviews there so we are just rolling this out. We are rolling out some social, you know, sharing automatically for other platforms as well. So that's one part. We are also you know, working on leveraging our, our AI engine to take all this data. We collect all the opt in permission based data. We collect on preferences and tastes and use that plus GTP three to also, you know, help you write the better hand note for the, for the gift or the email that you want to write along with it. So we can bring all of that together. You know, taking it beyond just the actual gift part of it. So those are like two major projects we are working on right now, along with of course, ramping up sales and marketing and all of that.

Young Han (04:47):
Oh my gosh. I love it. I am very excited to hear that selfishly, because a, as I mentioned earlier, I'm, I'm a customer of yours now. And so I finally got around as sending my first gift and it was so simple, painless. It was amazing. It was just like, like normally gift giving is like it's not, it's not a big deal, right? It's like, you know, obviously you want to, you know, do a good job and you wanna like organize it, but it ends up being logistically time consuming. And just to be able to go click, click, click, boom, and then have it be customized to that person was just so, so amazing. It was such an amazing experience. And then I'm really excited to see what the person thinks, cuz they're gonna get that custom gift that I got when I was given a gift at Eva. So it's very cool to see the video aspect because I think the video the video referral or the video testimonial thing that you can collect would be so powerful for businesses that have high gift giving or relationship building as part of their strategy. I do have to ask given that it's a parenting podcast. Tell me about your kids. How old are they and, and how many do you have?

Satwick Saxena (05:48):
I have one kid as a girl dad, so, so yeah, I am a girl dad. Oh,

Young Han (05:54):
You're a girl dad too. Awesome. Very good.

Satwick Saxena (05:58):
And she's five now, Like just turned five a few months back and just started her, you know, this year, her TK year.

Young Han (06:08):
That's awesome. I I actually have a five year old girl as well, so we share a lot more similar. Yeah. We have a lot more similarities than I you realize. That's awesome. Oh yeah, it's crazy. I, I can't, I can't believe it. I, I personally wanted a boy. I was really hoping for a boy and I got two girls instead and I wouldn't trade it for the world. I love him to death.

Satwick Saxena (06:29):
It's so much fun. Did I keep you? I always wanted a girl.

Young Han (06:31):
Oh, you did. You always wanted a girl really? Oh, it's funny. Yeah, it's great. When did you start Eva bot?

Satwick Saxena (06:39):
So we got started with Eva, you know, as all good startups do. It was a, we started off with a very different idea. When we were back in India around five years back you know, late 2015, early 2016 Robbie, my other co-founder S my other, you know, three co-founder. They had a previous company in India. They were working on second screen technology for, you know, a lot of large TV channels. They had just sold that that business that startup. And they were, you know, we were jamming on this other idea of something like P two P video sharing in the, in the family context. Mm. And he was getting some interesting feedback on it. And, you know, somebody told us, Hey, why don't you guys go to Silicon valley and get feedback there? That's the real market. That's the hardest one. That's where you get all the competition. So we said, okay, let's, let's try that. And we just, you know, thankfully we had a B one visas from, you know, work obviously. Yeah. So we could just like, come in here. But the challenges, once we landed here, we knew nobody. Like we literally just had the Airbnb app and the meet up app to meet people. So our first challenge is, okay, we left our networks behind, how do we rebuild them here? And we, we don't have like 10 years to do that now. So that's where we start, started thinking of, okay, what are the different things we can try? And gifting was one of the ideas we thought, okay, this is something we can try out. The challenge was that we had no cultural context. We bombed at it. We tried on our own. So, you know, being, being engineers and, and, and, you know, founders, we said, okay, let's build something to help us there. And we build the first SMS bot to kind of play around you know and people just assume that it was you know, a bot, even though there, you know, very basic, like, you know, responses going out on, on text messaging at that time. And very soon people were asking us more questions about that. Then then original idea. We had, people have a lot more interest in that experience. So that's how, like, around five years back, we got started with EBA.

Young Han (08:47):
Oh my gosh, that's the origin story. That's amazing. If you guys completely shelved the other peer to peer video project, or now you are able to bring some of that back with this new video referral thing.

Satwick Saxena (08:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have the features of we'll. We'll keep bringing some.

Young Han (09:04):
So like, I do have to ask though, because the timing kind of makes me very curious. It sounds like you had your daughter the same time you started this business and move.

Satwick Saxena (09:13):
Yes. I did, not the best timing in the world.

Young Han (09:16):
Yeah. It sounds really sounds really crazy. What, so you, did you move, did you decide to move here first and then you had your kid here, or did you have your kid and then decide to start a business and move here? Cause those are three major things that people don't combine moving to a new country, starting a business and having a kid.

Satwick Saxena (09:34):
I combine all three of them instantly

Young Han (09:37):
So no regrets?

Satwick Saxena (09:39):
I mean, now, no regrets looking back at, In that moment, that was really tough. Okay. I mean, it, it happened, I mean, as a, I mean, not as fully planned the, this, this sequence, you know we were thinking of having a kid and you know, simultaneously by the time you were thinking about, you know working on the startup, but we had not yet thought about like changing countries or moving accordingly. And then both the things just suddenly happened together. You know, both the, you know, Sara, my, my kid and, and, you know, jumping ship to, to, to the startup. And then when the whole thing came about, okay, let's, you know, try this in the us, that's the right market to get feedback that kind of added on. So the beginning was really tough because, you know, my kid was born in India. I was here for like three for or months in between during the pregnancy, then I had to G rush back. And at that time we were on B2 B, one visa. So, you know, there were other complications in terms of travel and stuff. So once we, you know, we had switched the idea to, to Eva and we had got we had got accepted to boost VC, the accelerator in San Mateo. That's when we applied for our, you know, open visas and then we could finally move. So around August, 2017, we all kind of, you know, I, my family moved here Robbie had moved here, you know, beforehand. 

Young Han (11:11):
Wow. So you just kind of like went with the flow. It was like, Hey, this opportunity came up. You're gonna go it. Yep. Even though you had a kid, you're just like, we're gonna do it. It's just gonna happen. You just, you just kind of like went with it.

Satwick Saxena (11:23):
Just took the plunge. Yeah, sure.

Young Han (11:25):
There wasn't more fighting involved. You just like, went with it.

Satwick Saxena (11:31):
My wife was like, there's no way I could have done this without her support. It was so difficult in the, in the beginning women, we got here, like, you know, iron Robbie, we had just like, raised very tiny amount of money at that time. So we were all living together in a single house with like the, the garage being the, the, the storage and the, and the setup for the, for the company.

Young Han (11:53):
Oh, wow. I love this story even more. That's amazing. So you, you guys are really risking a lot, a huge risk.

Satwick Saxena (12:00):
Yeah. Yeah. Like, yep, yep. Yep. Oh, man went all in. 

Young Han (12:04):
This is amazing. That's fantastic. I, I, I love that origin story. Thanks for sharing. And then thanks for sharing. How, how how you did all three of those things at the same time. Did you did you, how did you grow up? Did you grow up with an entrepreneurial family or, or were they risk takers? And so you kind of picked that up or where, how did you grow up? What was your childhood like?

Satwick Saxena (12:23):
So, yeah, I mean, partly risk takers, but like, my dad was you know, is, was working in was an army officer in India back in India. So, you know, growing up was in one way, like fun, because we were never kind of stationed in one place. He kept moving around the country and like, we were, you know, moving from city to city after like living there for a few years. So yeah, but he had a streak of you know, taking risks and you know, trying out new things, which I think I, I got as well also be because we were kind of, you know, moving to new places constantly so that, you know, habit of figuring out things in a new place or like resetting quickly that got built pretty early on. It was a very interesting, I mean, childhood because a, the, the army and the military, you know environment was so different. There was also like close knit connections because of that. Because we were all like families who were like moving around the country. So you didn't have like a set of fixed friends. So everybody learned to do this quickly. Great part was we could see so many different places get, you know, see so many different cultures. As you know, India is a country of different languages and different like food and everything changes, you know, in, in, in, in just short proximity. And we were like, literally going to different regions of the, of, of the country. So in one way, it was really fun to, to get exposed to these different cultures and ideas and how, you know, different parts of the country and different parts, you know, people have very different opinions or very different approaches to same, you know, similar situations. The challenge was of course not having permanent friends because like, till I got to college Robbie, my co-founder, I, I, I met in call, which tell them they were like no set of permanent friends. So that was the, the, the, the Downset of it. But, but overall, it was really interesting because we could play so many different sports and, you know check out so many different experiences, which otherwise would have been much more difficult to do.

Young Han (14:33):
Yeah. And also just the skills that you learned from moving and transitioning so much I mean, there's a lot of benefit to that, right. That you're not even talking about as in like your personal growth and the environment that you're growing up in. I grew, I moved a lot as a child as well, too. My dad, my dad was an entrepreneur, and so he moved us around quite a bit growing up. Yeah. And so I think the biggest benefit of that is that like, you, you, you learned to be a lot more, I don't real, I didn't realize it back then. I used to just get annoyed, you know, cause I'd have to change make new friends every time, but you know, now that I'm older and wiser I I'm looking back and realizing that that really helped me be more adaptive too. So not only did I, you know, Mo much more open to experiencing and much more open to trying new things and, and to a, to a certain degree, a lot more risk tolerant. Do you feel the same way?

Satwick Saxena (15:18):
Definitely. I think the, the plunge I took to like move countries, institution I did, that would not have happened if I didn't have that conditioning somewhere, you know built in where was, yeah, fine. We'd figure it out. We'll go to a new place and, and, and figure it out. And yeah, that inherent risk take up, you know, taking ability gets built in as are. 

Young Han (15:40):
Well, how are you doing that with your daughter? Are you trying to, trying to, trying to encapsulate her in that same kind of environment or ecosystem, or are you gonna do something different for her than you had?

Satwick Saxena (15:48):
So trying to do like best of both the world in some I mean, like unlike previously we are not moving that much. So, so she's not getting that part of it. But yeah, what we are doing is, you know she's a feisty little one. Who's, who's getting her, you know, good, strong opinions of her own loves to take charge and her own things and really focused on, let me make my own decisions already on every small thing. So that's one thing you're working on, you know, how to inculcate that decision, making ability in her so that she's always taking her own decisions. Even if that means in the short term, she doesn't listen to us on certain things helping her understand, like how do you make decisions? What the pro and cons are, you know, you may want to get all the candy right now, but then, you know, there's a, there's a trade off to that. The, the other thing we are doing is like, we travel quite a bit. So like whenever possible with the, you know, long weekends, we'll take her out to different places, different parts of the country so that she can start art, you know getting an exposure that he had.

Young Han (16:55):
Very smart. And then, has she gone back to India at all? Or have you done that trip with the young kid?

Satwick Saxena (16:59):
We've done one trip. We are planning other one this year COVID came in between. So international travel was really complicated, especially with India and us. So like last two years, we've not been able to but yeah, thankfully we got like one trip just at the beginning of COVID just beginning in like 20, 20. Yeah. February, we had just come back from India.

Young Han (17:24):
She was like, what, two and a half? Two, two and a half years old. Like she was young. That was a long flight. Right. That's hard for adults. I can't even imagine for a toddler. You know how that went? It was she okay.

Satwick Saxena (17:34):
The worst part was I at the last minute couldn't make it because a lot of stuff came up here and I got struck here and they had to go alone. Gosh. So the only good thing was, it was a overnight flight, so she slept for a big chunk of it. She was tired. But yeah, once you woke up, there were a lot of walks. It was hard, on the plane.

Young Han (17:57):
That's amazing. So that's cool. So you're doing a lot of you're, you're stabilizing the location move that you had, but you're actually trying to incorporate a lot more activities and experiences. That's great. Does she, does she understand what you do for work? Does she understand what you're building? What does she think you do for a living?

Satwick Saxena (18:14):
So she's, she's caught onto the part that I'm a co-founder

Young Han (18:17):
Oh, she understands the entrepreneurial thing. Okay.

Satwick Saxena (18:20):
Yeah. And, and that we help Santa Claus.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
That's amazing.

Young Han (18:30):
That's amazing. That's a really great way to explain your your business. You gotta put that on your pitch decks. You know what I mean? Like, Hey, this is, this is what we do. That's awesome. I love it.

Satwick Saxena (18:44):
Hey, kids get gifts directly from Santa Claus, but you know, somebody has to do it for adults and Santa Claus' the time.

Young Han (18:51):
That's actually a pretty good example. Actually, I give her, I give her a lot of kudos for coming up with that because the technically you customize it too, and like you're customizing it. So it's actually like really, really good gift giving she's. Yeah. She's made to be a, an entrepreneur, at least a marketer. Right. So here we go. We got her, we got her going. Very good. So yeah. What does success look like for you as a parent?

Satwick Saxena (19:14):
Good question. Hard, hard answers. I think in a, in a, like a single thing, but for, I mean, for me you know, one thing, and I, I wanted to ensure that, you know, she, she learns early on is Def decision making, because that is something we've seen even, I took some time because, you know, you, you have sheltered life. Parents are really, you know, there to take care of things and you don't necessarily build the, the, the mental muscle and the comfort to, you know, take heart decisions. And most importantly, you know, be okay with a trade off sometimes. So like that's one thing we consciously try and do where she's able to try something out, take a decision, and she learns that, okay. It it's okay to live with a trade off when you, you're thinking of it. And I mean, she's small. So her, her window of thinking about trade offs is not more than a few, like 15, 20 minutes anything longer than that, doesn't really that well, but yeah, she's like beginning to learn that. So that's, that's one very important thing that, you know, we, we wanted to ensure experience for her. Second is, you know definitely the something we've benefited from as kids by moving around and, you know, getting exposed to different cultures, different point of views. So she understands that, you know, there's no one way of thinking about things. There is, you know, there are so many different views of, you know, how you look at a problem or how you look at a situation how to build that confidence in her that she's able to navigate that while taking her own decisions. That's like one of the most important things we, we want to ensure for her.

Young Han (20:57):
I love it. You're talking more like systems building almost like values building, like giving her the information to like understand points of view and broadening her horizon. That's a really clever way of finding success. I love that, man. And then how about for business? What, what are your what are your business successes and goals?

Satwick Saxena (21:12):
Yeah, I mean, this, this year is a very interesting milestone for us, you know we'll have more formal communication coming out soon, but this is the time when we are like, you know, scaling up significantly in our sort of journey. I mean, this is the time mean, you know, we have got to a place where we have solid product market fit. We have the basic teams now in place, which we didn't have in even until last year where it was mostly just us doing different things. So like this year for us, a challenge now is, you know, how do you make that transition from doing things yourself and, you know, constantly doing them on your own to which is sometimes hard to like letting go of it and working on building that process and that, and that system, which others can use comfortably easily. Right. And that's the only way we can scale. So that transition of giving up on actually doing those things, which, which we love. And, you know, you have always done to taking a step back and figure out how do you help the, the process and systems scale up. And how do you enable, you know, all the wonderful folks we are hiring to, to take up and, and run with it and, you know, enable stuff for them.

Young Han (22:19):
That's a hard, that's a hard knot, man. I will tell you, that's probably the biggest hardship most businesses struggle with. And I'm very, very keenly aware of it. Yeah, it's, it's you the, the space that I like to live in mostly. And so it's really great to hear that you guys are wrestling with that aspect of it. It's like uncomfortable, it's uncomfortable because to a certain degree, you get so good at what you do and you probably do it the best and then having to cross, train other people and, and letting other people do it, you know, and they're never gonna do it exactly the way you do it. In some ways they could do it better. But the reality is you have, have to learn how to let go, cause you'll never scale if you don't, cause there's just so much bandwidth that you can do yourself until you let it go. And so it's a very tricky balance and I, I definitely don't think that it's a, a, an, an easy task, but it's really, really exciting goals and objectives. If I asked you what you think is harder, your parenting goals or your business goals, what would you say

Satwick Saxena (23:11):
Parenting goes, man, tell me why, I mean a, you know, in, in business, you can, you can go back and fix things. Yeah. That's doable. So if a gets good, goes wrong, you can, you can fire folks or you can train them again, or you can work it, you don't get a second pass at, you know, I love That. Okay. So, So yeah, that phase plus I think like right now, also like the, the balancing act between, between family and as we do this you know, as we scale that that gets I, I always thought that that got easier, which I'm now realizing it actually doesn't, it, it keeps getting more trickier. The balance becomes more trickier as you go along, because now that, you know she's bigger, she, she will wants, you know, she wants different kinds of engagement, not just earthing. So she wants attention in different ways. She wants to understand things there's more to do with her, but there's also lots to do to here. And you can, you can throw more resources at it on the, on the business side, so you can have more teams, more stuff, but on, on the parenting side, it's is the two of you, no matter, what's the way of looking at it.

Young Han (24:28):
You're thinking about it, very pragmatically and logically, but you're right. It's absolutely true. The stakes are much higher. There's, there's no, there's no like really no redoing, right? Like there's no other you can't like return the kid and get it back, you know, like, yeah, you got what you have.

Satwick Saxena (24:45):
I would, let's redo, let's restart at three again. Let's fix it.

Young Han (24:50):
That's a really good way of looking at it. Hey so Scott lake, let me actually jump over to some of these rapid fire questions. I want ask every single guest. Okay. Awesome. All right. Sounds good. So what I want to do is ask you a couple questions that I'm gonna ask every single guest so that there's some symmetry to the podcast jump right into the first one. What advice do you have for other parents? And soon to be parents

Satwick Saxena (25:12):
Take the plunge? It's it's okay. The first year will be, will be chaotic. It, it will seem that nothing is going right and, and everything goes wrong in the beginning. That's, that's fine. Don't stress you know, go with the flow. First, first year ISS is bound to be like that it gets better. Also in the, in the beginning, you do need to just spend like as much time as possible with a kid. I mean, that, that makes, that made a huge difference.

Young Han (25:43):
That was a really good piece of advice. And I actually, in hindsight, I actually, with that advice, cuz I feel like I should have started sooner too. I don't know what I was waiting for. I was waiting for the perfect time, the amount, right. Amount of money, the right amount, this, but it's like, you would've just figured it out, you know? And you're a walking example of it. You just like started a business and you moved to a new country by one of the most expensive countries in the world, but locations in the country, in the world. Yeah. And so you're figuring it out as you go and you're still happy and fine. So it kind of goes into the idea that you just have to like there's no, there's no time that you're really ready. Ready, right? Yeah.

Satwick Saxena (26:18):
Yeah. You can logically like pick a perfect time that doesn't then mind

Young Han (26:22):
On their own. They wanna do whatever they want anyways. So you can't even plan that anyways. All right. Next question. So if you could go back and tell yourself one thing before having kids, what would you tell yourself?

Satwick Saxena (26:34):
Hmm, that's a good one. The, the one thing I would tell myself is increase your patients level, work, work on your patients level. Because what I've seen with her is even the, the hardest, you know tantrums or everything else. If you just hold your patients and, and just ride it out, it gets so much more better then then trying to, you know, react to it much early. You're trying to fix which I've seen, usually doesn't work. So that's something I would, I would tell myself specifically.

Young Han (27:08):
I also struggle with that. I think it's also the age of our kid though, too. I think that they're very very much so ideating who they are and questioning everything. And so it's probably even harder right now for us just because we have, have that five minutes mentality kind of combating us, but you're absolutely right. I, I feel like I agree with that. My patients has been tested like crazy. So what's the most surprising thing that you've learned about yourself after becoming a parent?

Satwick Saxena (27:37):
Hmm. I've said two, two things. One was, as, as you said, you know, in the beginning, when you're thinking about having a kid, it feels like, oh, how would that work out? Or, or it'll, it'll be really difficult. Or even with a startup, my, I, you know, initial thought was, oh, this, this balancing will be like impossible. And you, you can't do it. That I found surprising that how naturally that starts coming to you once you do have, because well, there is no alternative. So you just kind of, you, you are able to like mentally reset and somehow you find, you know, more time you somehow find more productivity where you, you know, where I thought I had none that was, you know, that was generally surprising. And second was, I underestimated just the sheer amount of joy you, you get, you know, with, with playing with your kids. I mean, as much as you imagine it is in reality when you start doing it, I mean, it's like so much more, yeah. That, that was something which really surprised me,

Young Han (28:39):
Very insightful. I had the same experience too. And I completely like, like, you just don't realize how much you could love something. You have a kid and you're like, oh wow. Like there's a lot more in there than I realized. Yeah. It's really fascinating. Very cool. So do you, do you have a favorite business book or favorite book?

Satwick Saxena (28:55):
I would say favorite business book would be blue ocean strategy. I, I read it first time. I was like in college and it like blew my mind. Oh, that's completely different view of, you know, looking at stuff on the business side. My favorite book would be on the non-fiction side would be, would be thinking fast and slow. Again, that was like a revelation of, especially the live examples author gives there on, on, you know, on your preset mind and, and your, you know mind on the fiction side. I, I love historical fiction, so I'm a sucker for Google history. So there's a whole series of books written by Alex Ruthford, which is like fictional fictionalized reality you know, actual, actual events, just fictionalized across the mobile emperor's you know almost worked like 500 years. That's a book I love,

Young Han (29:56):
I I've heard the, one of 'em the blue ocean strategies. But I haven't heard the other two that's greats. And then when you're not building the next big tech software company or gift giving platform, and you're not being a super dad, what does salt do for fun? What's your, what's your hobbies and downtime activities?

Satwick Saxena (30:13):
I love a listening to some music while like reading these days I'm it got switched. So like, to get more time to read what I've done is like I've made it a multimedia activity. So each book I buy as a ebook physical book and an audio book, so I can switch between mediums depending on the activity I'm doing and kind of go through them faster. So that's something I, I, I love to I love doing, I love cooking. So you know, I, I, I love interesting food you know, eating it, making it, so, so that's something I try and do on the, on the weekend. It's, it's a fun activity. I, I involve Sarah sometimes or I'll check out what, what she wants to eat and we can like experiment and try something out.

Young Han (31:01):
I love cooking too. I, and I feel like the kids also get love getting involved. Right. I feel like right now it's like, all of those things are so interesting and so great that you can do that with love it. Satwick thank you so much for being on my podcast and sharing a little bit about your journey. I really, really appreciate the time.

Satwick Saxena (31:16):
Same here. Thank you so much. It was so much fun.

Young Han (31:18):
No, and I'll keep telling you how I like the product and as I go through it, I'm really, really excited where you guys take the next step. 

Satwick Saxena (31:25):
Yes, that's. That's great part.

Young Han (31:26):
Sounds good. I'll talk to you soon.

Satwick Saxena (31:29):
Thank you. Bye.

Young Han (31:31):
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